That's not the issue. The issue is that she said it wouldn't count for anything.

As far as people voting, many surely didn't but the primary races weren't the only things being voted on.

BTW, Al Gore took his name off the MI ballot in 2000 and still won the state in the GE so Clinton's statement is nonsense anyway.

Thanks for your reply. Is there any reason why you didn't answer my question?

I live in MI.  There's no outrage about that here in my circles, and I talk politics a lot with people.

You know why?  Because it was clear to us at the time that that election, as Hillary said, "doesn't count for anything."

Why did people go to the polls?  Any number of reasons.  My mother went because I encouraged her to go.  That doesn't mean that either of us thought that our votes actually counted for determining the nominee.  Some people might have thought they would count, but those people weren't paying attention.

Don't claim to speak for MI voters.  That patronizing attitude has become very tiresome.

OK, for completeness, here are her actual words (the best quality audio I could find, though the still images are not particularly flattering).

That's... fairly explicit on her view regarding Michigan. New Hampshire Public Radio, 10/11/07.

I'm not sure what  you mean by "poor political calculation" as MI doesn't count.

Thanks for your reply. Is there any reason why you didn't answer my question?

Wait, you think Obama campaigned in Florida? So you're actually advocating that Florida secede from the Union? Interesting! That's what the national networks said it would take for his NATIONAL ad not to play in Florida.

Why did Obama encourage his supporters to vote undecided in Michigan

Link me to a quote of Obama or any official campaign communication encouraging his supporters to vote uncommitted in Michigan, or retract the claim.

I don't think you've answered the question.

"Why did Obama encourage his supporters to vote undecided in Michigan"

Because CLINTON BROKE HER PLEDGE. If she hadn't broken her pledge, then she wouldn't be on the ballot, and the uncommitted vote would be meaningless, because both Obama and Clinton voters would be voting it.

Because if Obama hadn't done so, then you'd be claiming 95% of the vote from Michigan and 95% of the Michigan delegates, and you'd be fucking up the rules even more for your benefit.

Because then Clinton's deceit and lies and her broken pledges would have benefited her even more.

I'm tired of this whole piece of intellectual dishonesty, all originating from Clinton's broken pledge, from Clinton's disgustingly obscene lies and flip-flopping attitude.

She pledged not to participate, then you have the audacity to complain about other people not handing her 100% of the Michigan delegates she attempted to cheat?

The thief complains about not stealing all of the booty rather than just 55% of it?

But they still ran there. And he didnt' have to run these ads and knew full well that they were appearing in FLorida. Why not wait until after the vote to run them?

Because he's not blind to the possibility that totally ignoring those two states would insult them.

Only a fool surrenders a position of strength.  If he benefits from applying the rules fairly, then he's got two good reasons to follow them.

I guess since you're not from MI you don't keep up with the latest. They approve a deal that would give her 69 to his 59 delegates. Clinton campaign doesn't.

you deserve a hundred 4s for this comment.

So now it's a mistake to follow the agreement and not participate in the MI primary by taking his name off?

People who play by the rules shouldn't be penalized.  I think that's a principle worth following.

So Obama should have to "pay for his mistake" and Michigan and Florida shouldn't??  WTF

As I am sure someone has said to you before, to remove his name from the FL ballot he would have had to drop out of the presidential race.  That, obviously, was not going to happen.

As I said above, there is no evidence that the campaign was involved in the vote uncommitted movement.

Bitter?

Troll-rated for lying.

Please tape record yourself, and then get back to me...

Nobody pledged to not be on the ballot.

I haven't seen one or heard of one except in the imaginations of Obama supporters.

"She was wrong. Big freaking deal."

Yes, tell a people an election doesn't count, then demand to count it when it favours you, as it certainly as you're the only serious candidate on the ballot.

"The delegates should be seated as is!"

Leaving aside for a moment the rather crucial point that no primary with campaigning disallowed should EVER be accepted as legitimate... unless you want to be Russia, ofcourse.

...It's not about the delegates anymore, didn't you hear? If it was just about the delegates it wouldn't matter, because Obama has enough of a lead on Clinton that you could seat three Michigans and it still wouldn't matter.

This is about the popular vote, and about how 0% of the people in Michigan supported Obama, and about the demand of how the rest of us must accept that Clinton supposedly is the popular vote winner.

Well I will never accept that, because it's a LIE. Clinton is not the popular vote winner, and she will never be. This isn't even about the nomination any more, it's about separating plain LYING from FACT. It's about not trying to manipulate reality.

It's about this piece of Clintonian propaganda representing every single thing I despise in the reality-raping that the Bush administration represented.

When will you people take a stand on the side of reality?

...she has every right to change her mind! "

Oooh, I like that -- I'll be participating in votes, but only if I retain the right to decide after the vote on whether it counts for anything or not.

What can ever be more democratic than that, my retaining absolute veto power over the validity of any vote after I hear of the results?

"Is why Obamabots can't answer the question as to why Obama took his name off the ballot in Michigan, but left it on the ballot in Florida"

You know he wasn't allowed to, by Florida law, not unless he was withdrawing his bid for the nomination altogether.

You know that, everyone who has access to the Internet knows that, you simply don't care.

And this simply makes you a LIAR.