Is Hillary Getting Ready to Drop Out?

Well, she's been awfully benign lately, even going after Bush and McBush after their Israel foolishness. And now she's dropping strong hints.

First, it was taking the fight to the convention. Then it was June 3. Then it was May 31, when the rules committee meets. Now this, quoted on CNN last night.

"Those are two very good indicators of how close this race is and how intense it is and why everybody should vote and why I was so determined that we weren't going to quit before we got to Oregon," Clinton argued.

Sounds like Tuesday night could be an interesting one.



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I'd invest in umbrellas... (2.00 / 2)

...a lot of DDheads are going to be exploding when Clinton lets them know the isn't gonna "take it to the convention". Not with a bang, but with a whimper, and all that.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:11:41 PM EST

no. most people DDs are realist. (2.00 / 4)

In a poll I conducted on Thursday, 80 percent of the site believes it is time to reconcile and focus on McCain.  

that's a broad consensus.


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:13:52 PM EST
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Interesting. (2.00 / 4)

I think many of the perceptions people hold about MyDD are based on the disproportionately large amount of comments, diaries and rec's produced by a very small group of coordinated bloggers.  Their success in this is actually pretty impressive.


by dystopianfuturetoday on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:30:41 PM EST
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same here - that's what I thought (2.00 / 2)

but as other DD told me, that there is actually a overwhelming, silent majority.


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:37:08 PM EST
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I completely agree (none / 0)

They are a small, but VOCAL minority. The vast majority of the site is not full of dead-enders.


by Deano963 on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:08:44 PM EST
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What a cocky thing to say (2.00 / 1)

No they won't.  Why the hell would that happen?  Good lord, why is it that Obama supporters are so much worse than their candidate?


by linc on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:32:37 PM EST
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Re: What a cocky thing to say (1.50 / 4)

That's really funny coming from someones who posts on those hate sites, Hill44 and tyalormarshmouth.


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Hillary's husband
by venician on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:55:23 PM EST
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Um (2.00 / 1)

I have never posted at either site. I don't even have an account at either-


by linc on Sat May 17, 2008 at 08:35:29 PM EST
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it's possible, if only cuz of the debt (2.00 / 2)

if she goes on to June, then she incurs another cycle of monthly bills (insurance premiums for example).  

Just sayin.


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:12:19 PM EST

Re: Is Hillary Getting Ready to Drop Out? (none / 0)

i THINK OBAMA IS GETTING REDY TO DROP OUT.


by darlene25 on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:14:25 PM EST

Re: Is Hillary Getting Ready to Drop Out? (2.00 / 1)

I didn't realize that huffing so much paint made you type in all caps...


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:15:10 PM EST
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Re: Is Hillary Getting Ready to Drop Out? (2.00 / 1)

It's a little know side effect. More clintonites will soon be displaying the same symtoms in this diary.


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Hillary's husband
by venician on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:25:04 PM EST
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Re: Is Hillary Getting Ready to Drop Out? (2.00 / 3)

Ease off.  I'm only gonna call out known huffers.

Clinton supporters are generally sane and decent people.

Just not whoever the heck had to bust out the all caps.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:35:16 PM EST
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Re: Is Hillary Getting Ready to Drop Out? (2.00 / 2)

She has never planned to take it to the convention, where she knows she'd lose -- not only the nomination but whatever clout and goodwill she hopes to retain in the party.

That's just a line to feed the deadenders to get them to keep sending cash so she can pay herself back before she drops out.


by DeskHack on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:15:25 PM EST

My plan is solid (1.22 / 9)

Whatever the outcome is, my plan is solid, vote for Clinton or don't vote at all.


by soyousay on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:20:46 PM EST

Re: My plan is solid (2.00 / 6)

Who cares, you've made that threat a million times, soyousay, and each time I care less and less.


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Hillary's husband
by venician on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:26:23 PM EST
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Re: My plan is solid (1.50 / 2)

It's not a threat, it's reality.


by soyousay on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:05:39 PM EST
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Re: My plan is solid (2.00 / 1)

What if she runs as his VP?


by mady on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:34:26 PM EST
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Re: My plan is solid (none / 0)

The monkeys will fly out of my butt.

Ouch.  Sounds painful.


by The Red Pen on Sat May 17, 2008 at 11:16:24 PM EST
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Rebel without a clue? (2.00 / 2)


by dystopianfuturetoday on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:34:55 PM EST
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Re: My plan is solid (2.00 / 4)

Well...my dad can beat up your dad...


A useless "Community Organizer" from Pennsylvania as noted by Republicans, Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin
by hootie4170 on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:43:02 PM EST
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Re: My plan is solid (none / 0)

Will you hold your breath until you turn blue too?

Please?


by PhilFR on Sat May 17, 2008 at 08:31:47 PM EST
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Re: Is Hillary Getting Ready to Drop Out? (2.00 / 2)

I really hope so.  I can't see any benefit to continuing.  

Also, with Clinton out of the race we can finally implement a solution to the MI/FL problem.  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:22:08 PM EST

I say Wensday (2.00 / 2)

I've been saying that for months.


It's time to restore balance and fairness to our economy,... It's time to stop giving tax cuts to corporations that ship jobs overseas... - Barack Obama
by Lefty Coaster on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:24:30 PM EST

Why not Twosday? (2.00 / 2)


by dystopianfuturetoday on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:36:21 PM EST
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Not that soon (2.00 / 1)

Sen. Clinton should get all the money that she can from her supporters after her impressive Kentucky win.
Friday or Saturday.
by notme54 on Sat May 17, 2008 at 08:14:12 PM EST
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Re: Not that soon (none / 0)

OK Thursday

She does need the money.


It's time to restore balance and fairness to our economy,... It's time to stop giving tax cuts to corporations that ship jobs overseas... - Barack Obama
by Lefty Coaster on Sun May 18, 2008 at 01:23:24 PM EST
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Re: I say Wensday (none / 0)

Two long term staffers I've heard of, booked till November, are clearing their desks Twosday (MYDD spelling)

So my guess is they will 'suspend' the campaign the next day.

Note 'suspend' though. My guess is that we'll still have some hard core Hillary supporters here spending weeks begging her to 'unsuspend it' and causing trouble for Obama.

If they don't, then this will be a much better site. But it will confirm the suspicion of many, denied by Alegre, that this was a concerted top driven blogging strategy, driven by the campaign.

We'll wait and see.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Sat May 17, 2008 at 08:55:22 PM EST
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Re: I say Wensday (none / 0)

Sources please!


by mcctx on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:15:52 PM EST
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Re: I say Wensday (none / 0)

OK. One is a friend and I'm sworn to secrecy. But two others were also mentioned on the big orange satan yesterday. I'll try to dig them up.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:17:41 PM EST
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Re: I say Wensday (none / 0)

Here's one

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/5/ 16/9492/49021/95#c95


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:22:04 PM EST
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Re: I say Wensday (none / 0)

Another one is leaving on June 4th, as mentioned on the same thread I've posted above.

That's the three I've heard about.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:24:37 PM EST
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Re: Is Hillary Getting Ready to Drop Out? (2.00 / 1)

No.


by Scotch on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:26:08 PM EST

Re: Is Hillary Getting Ready to Drop Out? (2.00 / 1)

that pretty much sums it up.

I have no idea why she would come this far and then drop out now.

I don't see her taking it to the convention, but considering there's 2 weeks left on the primary calendar, it's not like dropping out would make an enormous difference.

I would imagine she'll wait until after the June 3 conclusion.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Sat May 17, 2008 at 08:09:03 PM EST
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payroll - overhead (2.00 / 1)

it depends on her month overhead (office rent, Insurance premiums) - if it's a significant number, it would outweigh continuing to campaign in MT and SD and PR.


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:08:34 PM EST
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Re: Is Hillary Getting Ready to Drop Out? (2.00 / 2)

I don't think she'll drop out before the end of the primary season, at least. She's invested too much of her talking points in letting everyone vote and getting the RBC to seat Florida and Michigan. I just don't see how she gets out before June 3.

That said, you can definitely tell that she understands it is the end of the road. Earlier in the primary season, she probably would have jumped on Obama about unconditional negotiations with Iran and the like.


by unionfield on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:29:02 PM EST

Re: Is Hillary Getting Ready to Drop Out? (2.00 / 2)

It's possible that she may drop out before the end of the month--I think she does at least have to stay in until after KY and OR, because I think if she was to drop out before then, a big KY loss for Obama after he is officially the presumptive nominee would be humiliating, to say the least.

So May 21st is the earliest date to drop out, I think for her, but I think that she will end up sticking it out until June 3rd--there's alot of infastructure setup in SD and Montana.


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:34:37 PM EST

Re: Is Hillary Getting Ready to Drop Out? (2.00 / 1)

I don't think the media will really focus on the KY loss because of the OR win at the same time. Plus, he's going to be declaring victory so that will overshadow all of it. I suspect your probably right, that she'll stay in until the 3rd, but I don't really think KY is a very good reason for it.

Looking at how the media has kind of turned their attention on the GE, though, I think if she was planning on getting out on the 3rd she's probably considering doing it earlier.


democracy!
by BlueGAinDC on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:45:01 PM EST
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Wait (2.00 / 3)

Drop out? In her moment of triumph? I think you overestimate Obama's chances.

(kidding kidding)


by RBH on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:37:25 PM EST

Wasn't... (2.00 / 1)

...Chelsea in Puerto Rico??


A useless "Community Organizer" from Pennsylvania as noted by Republicans, Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin
by hootie4170 on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:44:43 PM EST

Re: Wasn't... (2.00 / 1)

Michelle went there, too.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:46:08 PM EST
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Lucky Her (2.00 / 1)

I alot of nice looking people in PR!


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:51:15 PM EST
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Re: Is Hillary Getting Ready to Drop Out? (2.00 / 1)

My guess is she'll pull the plug after another big win in Kentucky. Then she's going to be figuring out whether to push for the VP slot. A lot of people here think she wants it but I'm not so sure. Does she want to be attending funerals for Obama or be part of the leadership in the senate. And of course he could lose which would make her the effective leader of the party. It's a tough call I'd say because if she wants it she can probably have it.  


by ottovbvs on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:56:24 PM EST

Re: Is Hillary Getting Ready to Drop Out? (2.00 / 2)

Senator Clinton will show her great leadership in the next few weeks and then we can focus on the enemy. I admire Senator Clinton more and more.


by Politicalslave on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:58:32 PM EST

Re: Is Hillary Getting Ready to Drop Out? (none / 0)

My song of the day...
rock on...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxNf2uCxd 3E

"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Sat May 17, 2008 at 08:10:40 PM EST

Re: Is Hillary Getting Ready to Drop Out? (2.00 / 2)

She may be spooked about what endorsement he's going to roll out on Wednesday in Tampa.  The Edwards & NARAL blows were pretty hard, she may not want to go through another day like that.


by Piuma on Sat May 17, 2008 at 08:47:18 PM EST

Re: Is Hillary Getting Ready to Drop Out? (none / 0)

I think she's in it through the end of the primary season.

See http://thepage.time.com/2008/05/17/clint on-you-dont-quit-until-you-finish-what-y ou-started/


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sat May 17, 2008 at 08:49:06 PM EST

Re: Is Hillary Getting Ready to Drop Out? (none / 0)

I given some evidence upthread about the firing of key campaign workers come Monday. But my guess is that we won't actually END her campaign. She's SUSPEND it, suggesting there may be 'issues' where she might have to reactivate it in Denver. It's the logical outcome: by implying she will be there in an emergency she both justifies the actions of the last two months, and takes the sting out of her supporters disappointment. It will mean she can quit, without quitting if you see what I mean: save money, keep her pride, and mean that MYDD will be a running sore of pro Hillary activism right up until the convention


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:00:35 PM EST

Re: Is Hillary Getting Ready to Drop Out? (none / 0)

Oh, and of course, by holding back from a fully getting out of the race, and providing any kind of endorsement, this will still give her leverage for a top spot in an Obama administration


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:02:02 PM EST
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Re: Is Hillary Getting Ready to Drop Out? (none / 0)

Not according to this article!

"Clinton Takes on 'Those People on TV'"

Share May 17, 2008 4:21 PM

ABC News' Eloise Harper reports: In Loretto, Ky., today, Sen. Hillary Clinton vented some frustration with the pundits who keep saying the race for the Democratic presidential nomination is over and that she should quit.

"And you know all those people on TV who keep telling you and everybody else that this race is over and I should just be graceful and say `Oh, it's over,' even though I've won more votes," she said. "Those are all people who have a job. Those are all people who have health care. Those are all people who can afford to send their kids to college. Those are all people who can pay whatever is charged at the gas pump. They're not the people I'm running to be a champion for."

Read the rest:  It does not sound to me like she is giving up the race just yet!

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/ 2008/05/clinton-takes-o.html


by mcctx on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:11:13 PM EST

Re: Is Hillary Getting Ready to Drop Out? (none / 0)

True, but my daughter saw Edwards the night before he dropped out and there was zero indication of what he was going to do. He was upbeat and energized.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:47:54 PM EST
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Please Guys (none / 0)

Didn't you all get the word that a "no negativity toward Democratic Candidates" truce is now in effect?
Don't be haters, stick to the truce.
My thoughts on McCain: I have no desire to let that idiot fulfill his desire to "Bomb Iran"
by Otaku Saru on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:52:30 PM EST

Re: Is Hillary Getting Ready to Drop Out? (2.00 / 1)

Umm delusional people...

if she was going to quit randomly, she would have done for now. She will quit when the delegates get seated after all primaries have voted.


by Jaz on Sat May 17, 2008 at 10:20:13 PM EST

Re: Is Hillary Getting Ready to Drop Out? (2.00 / 1)

She's not quitting. If she were going to quit before all the voting was done, she would have done so already. No point in quitting now.


by KyleJRM on Sat May 17, 2008 at 10:29:51 PM EST


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